Drugs made my wife not feel good


#1

My wife and i have been married since july of 2010. We dated all thoughout college, and soon, like most couples we wanted to start a family. A little background, my wife was diagnosed and beat a brain tumor when she was 7 and there was little known about how it would affect the pregnancy prospect. Well in April of 2011 we go to the doctor for the first time, and except news about her side of things. We get the bomb dropped on us that not only does she not ovulate, but i have little sperm movement and low numbers. Devestated is the only word i could use to describe it. Our doctor suggested that it mightve been a bad sample cause of the stress. Two months later i give another sample, and same results. In the meantime the doctor suggests that we try putting my wife on fertility drugs to see if she ovulates. Success!!! she produced 7-8 eggs and the next step is to try and take a sperm sample and put it close to the eggs and BOOM baby made. The downfall was that the drugs made my wife not feel good and took a toll on her the weeks leading up to the procedure. So the day comes in July, another sample and we go with the procedure. It could take 10 days to find the result, 2 days later my wife has her period. Again, heartbroken. We go back to the doctor and he suggests that we either have IVF or adoption because it doesnt look like any other method would work. They suggest as a last resort that i try 3 months of Clomid to see if that will raise my levels, with the understanding that if the morphology is bad then all the testosternone in the world wont help. We decide to take a year off, and rethink about things. In the meantime I am there for her. I am so worried about her and how she is feeling and what I can do that ultimately put my feelings of loss and anger away to deal with later. In october my wife starts seeing a therapist, and i started going at the end of november. I feel like a failure and that i have not lived up to my obligation as a husband. I also never want to see my wife so upset. We are newly married and im just angry at the situation cause marriage is hard enough and now we have this added stress on top of it. I never filled the prescription for the clomid b/c im like what is the point if i have bad morphology. Im 26 years old and feel completely helpless and what is most frustrating is that there is no rhyme or reason why this happened to me. Its the cards we are delt and i just wish things would be better. I used to be able to make jokes about it to ease the upset or make myself feel better, but i just want to wave a magic wand and us have a baby and my issue be ok. Im at the beginning of my therapy and i know that, i just need to know there are others out there who feel the same and are going through this as well.

Thanks for reading


#2

I’m sorry that you find yourself in the infertility club with the rest of us.

I don’t have much concrete advice quite yet—other then to keep trying. At the end of this road, you will know that you did what you could—and spending some time in these forums is a great place to start. (Hop0efully you will find yourself with a baby at the end of that road too)

My husband and I are also dealing with Male Factor Infertility. We completed our First IVF cycle with ICSI and became pregnant–but lost our baby at 10 weeks. We’re now taking some time off to focus on improving his sperm health.

There are things you can do—and I’m in the midst of research mode right now so I’m sorry I don’t have magic bullet for you—but several folks on this forum have found successful combinations of acupuncture, surgery, clomid, lifestyle changes, supplements ( such as ConceptionXR or FertilBlend), and ICSI. You may wish to consult with your RE, a urologist who specializes in male infertility, your wife’s OB, and a Chinese medicine specialist who focuses on infertility.

I personally find it interesting that our RE feels that ICSI is the only solution—my husbands urologist doesn’t think there’s a problem and that people do get pregnant even with poor morph & mot—and then my accupuncturist wants to focus on my husband and his sperm. (I started my accupuncture when my IVF started—and my accupuncturist asked for 3 months to improve my eggs and my husbands sperm—we were too impatient and declined–now I wish we would have)

Best of luck in your journey. You might find luck searching these forums for MFI, Male Factor Infertility, mortility, Morphology, supplements, accupuncture, etc…

[QUOTE=vayankfan]My wife and i have been married since july of 2010. We dated all thoughout college, and soon, like most couples we wanted to start a family. A little background, my wife was diagnosed and beat a brain tumor when she was 7 and there was little known about how it would affect the pregnancy prospect. Well in April of 2011 we go to the doctor for the first time, and except news about her side of things. We get the bomb dropped on us that not only does she not ovulate, but i have little sperm movement and low numbers. Devestated is the only word i could use to describe it. Our doctor suggested that it mightve been a bad sample cause of the stress. Two months later i give another sample, and same results. In the meantime the doctor suggests that we try putting my wife on fertility drugs to see if she ovulates. Success!!! she produced 7-8 eggs and the next step is to try and take a sperm sample and put it close to the eggs and BOOM baby made. The downfall was that the drugs made my wife not feel good and took a toll on her the weeks leading up to the procedure. So the day comes in July, another sample and we go with the procedure. It could take 10 days to find the result, 2 days later my wife has her period. Again, heartbroken. We go back to the doctor and he suggests that we either have IVF or adoption because it doesnt look like any other method would work. They suggest as a last resort that i try 3 months of Clomid to see if that will raise my levels, with the understanding that if the morphology is bad then all the testosternone in the world wont help. We decide to take a year off, and rethink about things. In the meantime I am there for her. I am so worried about her and how she is feeling and what I can do that ultimately put my feelings of loss and anger away to deal with later. In october my wife starts seeing a therapist, and i started going at the end of november. I feel like a failure and that i have not lived up to my obligation as a husband. I also never want to see my wife so upset. We are newly married and im just angry at the situation cause marriage is hard enough and now we have this added stress on top of it. I never filled the prescription for the clomid b/c im like what is the point if i have bad morphology. Im 26 years old and feel completely helpless and what is most frustrating is that there is no rhyme or reason why this happened to me. Its the cards we are delt and i just wish things would be better. I used to be able to make jokes about it to ease the upset or make myself feel better, but i just want to wave a magic wand and us have a baby and my issue be ok. Im at the beginning of my therapy and i know that, i just need to know there are others out there who feel the same and are going through this as well.

Thanks for reading[/QUOTE]


#3

I just now sit down an read what you’ve posted an I’m so very sorry to hear you’ll are going through a time like this. But let me say this fill the Clomid an take it for 3 months it may help things a whole lot plus change your diet to all healthy food if not already doing so. Next drink lots of water, cut out caffeine if you can, keep the twins cool, don’t take hot showers as they can cause issues. At night not to sound dirty but run around the house in boxers or in your birthday suite which means naked.

Left out something very important if your going to take Clomid don’t take any vitmains with herbs in there as they can cause issues.

Here is what is known that many don’t know about or ignore it.
Lots of people uses like FertilAid For Men or another vitamin for them man but it has herbs in it an it does state not to take while taking clomid on the box or bottle…Make sure too read before getting any type of vitmains.

However, in the case of clomid and FertilityBlend/FertilAid, the product makers do state that clomid should not be taken with herbal products!

Cannot be taken while taking Clomid because of the herbs in Fertility Blend,they may alter the effects of the Clomid (for better or for worse.)most the time it’s for worse in men.

Chasteberry (vitex agnus)
Dong Quai (angelica Sinesis)
Gotula Kola (centella Asiatica)
Stinging Nettle
Sarasparilla (smilax Officinalis)
Wild Yam

In men Clomid has been proven very effective for promoting the secretion of LH (Luteinizing hormone). LH is responsible in men for the production of testosterone (the male hormone) by the leydig cells of the testes.

Clomid is used in men that have low testosterone levels and those who have low sperm count.

Next if your not taking any type of vitamins for men you need too as the sperm could be missing a certain vitamin needed.

Have you been to a urologist too see why have sperm issues?

Don’t give up all hope…IF can be a pain in the *** but it can be beat. My DH has sperm issues. He has low sperm count … at first he had low sperm count, shapes wasn’t normal an the speed of them was slow. Before my DH went too a urologist our RE told us if his sperm count didn’t improve we would be looking at either donor sperm or IVF/ICSI but after my DH went to a urologist to find out what was wrong it worked.

Here is my Dh SA results before he started Clomid
This is his very first SA in 08
Appearance white & opaque Gray-white & opaque
Volume <1.5 L ml 1.5-5.0
PH 8.0 >=7.2
Concentration 3 PL million/ml 20-375
Motility 37 L % 60-100
17 % MOTILITY at 6 hours post collection
Progression Poor Movement
Liquefaction < 1 Hour <1 hour
Morphology 20 L % 30-100
80% Abnormal Forms Include Head and Tail Abnormalities

This is his 2nd SA after started him on Vitamins this again before Clomid 2009
Appearance Normal
Volume 1.5 ml
Sperm Conc. 5.60 X10 6/ml
Motility 38%
Liquefaction Complete
Total Motile Sperm 3.19 X10 6 per sample
PH 8.3
Progression 2 1 (Poor)- 4 (excellent)
Agglutination NO
% Viable (> 75%)
Morphology (> 50%) Normal

Total Round Cells 0.4 X10 6/ml

  • Round cells include immature sperm, WBC and cell fragments.
    Morphology
    Normal forum 55%
    Abn. Head 34 %
    Abn. Midpiece 8%
    Abn. Tail 3%

Here is my DH SA again still on vitamins but not CLomid
Volume 2.0 ml
Sperm Conc. 10.0 X10 6/ml
Motility 35%
Liquefaction Complete
Progression 2 1 (Poor)- 4 (excellent)
Agglutination NO
% Viable (> 75%)
Morphology (> 50%) Normal

Now this is the SA after my DH was put on Clomid to help his count an all… He has low testosterone.

Volume 1.5ml
PH 7.6
Liquefaction Complete
Clarity: Opalescent
Viscosity 0
Sperm Conc. 52.5 X10 6/ml
Motility 69.4%
Total Motile Sperm 54.7 X10 6 per sample
Agglutination 2%
WBC 0 X10 6/ml
Forward Progression
Rapid 1%
Medium 17%
slow 52%
Static 30%
Strict Morphology 0%

Now on this last SA going to show you is the one I got pregnant with.
Volume 1.5ml
PH 7.6
Liquefaction Complete
Clarity: Opalescent
Viscosity 0
Sperm Conc. 30.0 X10 6/ml
Motility 71.0%
Total Motile Sperm 32.0 X10 6
Agglutination 0%
Morphology (> 50%) Normal
WBC 0 X10 6/ml

Now this was with my DH taking a vitamin cocktail an taking 25mg Clomid everyday. So don’t give up as it can work.

Now here is my DH vitmain cocktail he takes an it is approved by our RE.

Oneaday for men
Vitamin C-1000 with Rose Hips 2x a day
1000 mg fishoil with Co-Enzyme Q-10 30 Mg 2x a day.
Acetyl L-Carnitine 250mg 1x a day.
Alpha Lipoci Acid 100mg 1x a day
L-Carnitine 500mg 2 x a day
L-Arginine 500mg 1x a day
He also eat 2 fresh oranges a day as it helps too.
sperm require 74 days to mature, these nutritional supplements should be taken for at least three months to see initial improvement in sperm quality.* Sperm also require up to 20 additional days to be capable of fertilization

Now we’re trying again for another baby.

Good Luck… Hope this gives you some hope… We know how hard it is with IF… One more thing before I got pg after got my Dh count straight I had to Lapscopy surgery to remove endo off my uterus.


#4

Soo sorry

[quote=vayankfan]My wife and i have been married since july of 2010. We dated all thoughout college, and soon, like most couples we wanted to start a family. A little background, my wife was diagnosed and beat a brain tumor when she was 7 and there was little known about how it would affect the pregnancy prospect. Well in April of 2011 we go to the doctor for the first time, and except news about her side of things. We get the bomb dropped on us that not only does she not ovulate, but i have little sperm movement and low numbers. Devestated is the only word i could use to describe it. Our doctor suggested that it mightve been a bad sample cause of the stress. Two months later i give another sample, and same results. In the meantime the doctor suggests that we try putting my wife on fertility drugs to see if she ovulates. Success!!! she produced 7-8 eggs and the next step is to try and take a sperm sample and put it close to the eggs and BOOM baby made. The downfall was that the drugs made my wife not feel good and took a toll on her the weeks leading up to the procedure. So the day comes in July, another sample and we go with the procedure. It could take 10 days to find the result, 2 days later my wife has her period. Again, heartbroken. We go back to the doctor and he suggests that we either have IVF or adoption because it doesnt look like any other method would work. They suggest as a last resort that i try 3 months of Clomid to see if that will raise my levels, with the understanding that if the morphology is bad then all the testosternone in the world wont help. We decide to take a year off, and rethink about things. In the meantime I am there for her. I am so worried about her and how she is feeling and what I can do that ultimately put my feelings of loss and anger away to deal with later. In october my wife starts seeing a therapist, and i started going at the end of november. I feel like a failure and that i have not lived up to my obligation as a husband. I also never want to see my wife so upset. We are newly married and im just angry at the situation cause marriage is hard enough and now we have this added stress on top of it. I never filled the prescription for the clomid b/c im like what is the point if i have bad morphology. Im 26 years old and feel completely helpless and what is most frustrating is that there is no rhyme or reason why this happened to me. Its the cards we are delt and i just wish things would be better. I used to be able to make jokes about it to ease the upset or make myself feel better, but i just want to wave a magic wand and us have a baby and my issue be ok. Im at the beginning of my therapy and i know that, i just need to know there are others out there who feel the same and are going through this as well.

Thanks for reading[/quote]

So sorry you and are your wife are going through all of this. IF is not a fun process to go through. My husband and I have been married for 8 years next week and we’ve been trying the whole time. We’ve started testing several times and just in August started seeing a RE. We found out in October and November that we have Male Factor Infertility issues - my DH SA’s came back with no sperm. He’s working with a reproductive urologist trying to get his testosterone levels up since they are really really low. And then we only have a 50/50 shot of the treatment working. We’ll most likely have to go straight to IVF which we were prepared to do anyway.

My husband feels a lot like you - he feels he’s failed me, etc. I feel the same way too. I also have various issues going on. We don’t know why we’re going through this when there are so many out there that don’t have any problem getting pregnant. We are very religious and are having faith that this is God’s plan for us. And just knowing that we are doing everything in our power to start our family has been really comforting to us. So glad you and your wife are seeing a counselor - that will help so much. That’s something that we probably need to do. This is definately not an easy process.

I know others have already mentioned this but definately see a reproductive urologist (you can probably get referrals from your wife’s doctor) - they will better know what will help you in your situation.

Good luck with everything. Hope you and your wife find the comfort that you guys need at this time and know that you are not alone in this battle. This forum is an excellent source of information and support.


#5

We began our process last February after a SA showed that my husband had 700,000 live sperm…yep, less than 1 million. His morphology was less than 1%. His testosterone levels are on the high end of normal, so Clomid was not indicated. He also saw a urologist who evaluated him very thoroughly for a varicocoele and found nothing surgically correctable.

As you would expect, we went straight to IVF with ICSI only to discover that my eggs were horrible. Imagine our surprise to find out that we were both disasters…only my situation couldn’t be “fixed” with IVF/ICSI or anything else for that matter.

My husband took Royal Jelly (didn’t help me, but may have been beneficial for him), CardioTek (MVI prescribed by RE), Vit. C, Vit. E, and another MVI with DHEA. He began wearing boxers more and cut way back on his caffeine intake. He never drank or smoked… Even though our last IVF had to be converted to IUI for poor response on my part, his SA showed 6.64 million live sperm with somewhere around 20% good morphology, which was a HUGE improvement!

I would definitely try the vitamins and Clomid for a few months. If your wife ovulates, then you have a chance! We have managed to communicate very well throughout our struggles and have not felt the need for a therapist. However, we HAVE struggled with all of the unfairness that infertility poses…and the heartbreaks.

All I can say is communicate with each other and lean on each other. Both of us will tell you that our hearts broke when we discovered that my DH’s sperm counts were horrible and the words “donor sperm” were raised (by our OB…not our RE). My husband told me later that he was crushed, shocked, and full of guilt. The blessing in the situation though was that when the equally devastating (and totally unexpected) words “donor egg” were used, my husband TOTALLY understood my grief and tears. He kept telling our RE, “I know how she’s feeling because I felt that way when the other doc told us to consider donor sperm. Only, she can’t help her tears…she’s on hormones.” After that, our RE tells me everytime he sees me how obvious it is that we love each other tremendously and how much our relationship “touched” him in his office that afternoon (July 19 to be exact). Our marriage is stronger as a result, and it’s NOT because we have become pregnant! Obviously, we have high hopes for February though!

Best wishes to you and your wife!


#6

[QUOTE=vayankfan]My wife and i have been married since july of 2010. We dated all thoughout college, and soon, like most couples we wanted to start a family. A little background, my wife was diagnosed and beat a brain tumor when she was 7 and there was little known about how it would affect the pregnancy prospect. Well in April of 2011 we go to the doctor for the first time, and except news about her side of things. We get the bomb dropped on us that not only does she not ovulate, but i have little sperm movement and low numbers. Devestated is the only word i could use to describe it. Our doctor suggested that it mightve been a bad sample cause of the stress. Two months later i give another sample, and same results. In the meantime the doctor suggests that we try putting my wife on fertility drugs to see if she ovulates. Success!!! she produced 7-8 eggs and the next step is to try and take a sperm sample and put it close to the eggs and BOOM baby made. The downfall was that the drugs made my wife not feel good and took a toll on her the weeks leading up to the procedure. So the day comes in July, another sample and we go with the procedure. It could take 10 days to find the result, 2 days later my wife has her period. Again, heartbroken. We go back to the doctor and he suggests that we either have IVF or adoption because it doesnt look like any other method would work. They suggest as a last resort that i try 3 months of Clomid to see if that will raise my levels, with the understanding that if the morphology is bad then all the testosternone in the world wont help. We decide to take a year off, and rethink about things. In the meantime I am there for her. I am so worried about her and how she is feeling and what I can do that ultimately put my feelings of loss and anger away to deal with later. In october my wife starts seeing a therapist, and i started going at the end of november. I feel like a failure and that i have not lived up to my obligation as a husband. I also never want to see my wife so upset. We are newly married and im just angry at the situation cause marriage is hard enough and now we have this added stress on top of it. I never filled the prescription for the clomid b/c im like what is the point if i have bad morphology. Im 26 years old and feel completely helpless and what is most frustrating is that there is no rhyme or reason why this happened to me. Its the cards we are delt and i just wish things would be better. I used to be able to make jokes about it to ease the upset or make myself feel better, but i just want to wave a magic wand and us have a baby and my issue be ok. Im at the beginning of my therapy and i know that, i just need to know there are others out there who feel the same and are going through this as well.

Thanks for reading[/QUOTE]

Thats a lot going on! I can only image the immense amount of pressure you must feel. I mean, there is so much pressure that we, as a culture, put onto a man. So kudos to you for sticking with it and supporting your wife. Thats awesome.

Don’t fear!! While the natural way is most people’s ideal way of getting preggers, the beauty of the world we live in is that we have the luxury and technology to do amazing things like IVF.

For me, my hubby had a vasectomy and when I wanted to have children it was devastating. I understand and respect his decision to do it, but it was hard to cope with something that you cannot control. I knew from the time I was 17-18 that I had ovarian troubles so, I knew I would have to do IVF. My DH is on Clomid as well and it has been successful. We had to push back our cycle start date 3 months so that the Clomid had a chance to build up in his system and ensure healthy sperm. Again, we saw a very reputable Urologist (even though expensive) who sat and talked us, answered all our questions, and explained everything thoroughly. We have the GREEN light late October (we started in April) because everything checked out great with my DH at his last appt! So, don’t feel negative yet. Your young and have a good chance at making it work!!! Keep on your therapies and eat right, exercise well, take your multi vita and Im sure you’ll see positive results. Even if slow.

The IVF is such an extensive process and any woman who goes through it deserve mother of the year awards. Your wife, given her reaction to the other meds she tried may react negatively to the IVF injectables. My suggestion if you decide to do IVF is to find reputable and very good facility to go to. It may cost more but the results and quality of care are substantially better. This is where you can get all your questions asked and where the MDs can make the best decision for your care and the direction of your treatment. While I do not know how terribly your DW reacted to the meds the first time, IVF should not be ruled out. Talk to a MD who will be treating you and start slow. That is step one.

Its a great option and if she can bear through some of the discomfort then the ultimate picture of being :preg: is worth the discomfort (in my eyes). But, if that isn’t an option the adoption thing is great too. The fact that you two have even considered that is amazing. So many children need good homes with good parents!!!

Have you guys considered surrogacy? Or sperm donation? Or the like options? What are your thoughts on that.

I can imagine how down you must feel. I have been there. It is so much easier said that done to “be happy or think positive” but its hard. We are all here for you!!! Use this site and vent vent vent! You can develop some very strong friendships with those who are on here. And never never never give up!!! If this is something you and your DW want, then G-d, the powers that be, or the universe (whatever you believe) will find a way.

What are you current plans?? Where are you being treated? Are you happy with how you have been treated at the facility?
:grouphug: :grouphug: :babydust: :babydust: :babydust: :babydust:


#7

I’m sorry you are going through this. I know it’s disappointment and trust me, most people on here understand the feelings of devastation. Many of us have had those moments. Has your doctor mentioned anything about a TESE procedure? It’s where they inject a single sperm into the egg. They essentially fertilize it for you. From what I understand, you don’t need any motility for that, just mature sperm. Might be something to look into. you are young, there could be many options to explore. Don’t lose hope.


#8

I meant ISCI not TESE