IVF or surrogacy?


#73

Hey, Welcome to this forum. Our forum provides you a better suggestion. Dera I feel very sad to hear about You BUt the good things is that you do not lose your hope. You try to move on in your life. Life does not stop. The everything should be better. Everything takes her time and must be better for us. But depression and lose hope in not the solution of any problem. You choose surrogacy. Dear surrogacy makes you able to see your own biological child. It is not a dream it is a reality. Through surrogacy, many peoples have their own child. Couples who can not conceive naturally. Enjoy their child life through surrogacy. Surrogacy in the blessing for all those couples. Who lose all hope in their life. Best of luck


#74

Hello!!! Welcome to the forum. Yes this forum gives you positive suggestions. Provide you benefit. Hope through this forum you must be able to do best decision. I know your problem is so risky.I know how people deal. They think that you are sinner and show you your all arrogance. But you do not feel bad. There is a reason why you went through. You know your condition is just like my aunt. She is also seven years married women. She faced many problems and hardships. She separated with her man. And now she got married second time at age of 40 but still the problem is as same as before. She trying to conceive and visited doctors and apply every formula on herself. The doctors refers her the new technological methods (The new scientific techniques surrogacy methods). After that she was very stress and think about it . She also discuss with her husband and also with me. As, I said her that you just have two paths. In the one, in which you will be-be happy for a lifetime else you wait for a miracle. I convinced her that you have guts and her husband also agreed with this method. She agreed with surrogacy. After her treatment, she blessed with baby which is about 5 years old now. So don’t lose hope if a science gives you a chance. I think you also have to avail it .


#75

It is not something great to hear from a desperate parent. You must have been longing for the best in life. It often happens that things don’t go the way they should be. It is all destiny that is playing the game with your life. We never know what is best for us. Your failure in IVF does not mean that life has come to an end. The road to good luck is still open. Surrogacy can be real alternative. You are just scared because you think that you might not be able to feel the sheer joy of being a mother. Remember for some good you have to experience some worst in the life too. It is the same situation. Motherhood cannot be categorized. You must think that motherhood is an inner feeling. You feel great love for those who don’t even belong to you. This baby in the surrogate has at least some you in it. You will experience every move. You will see the baby scans.If I summarize you will share the joy of pregnancy. I hope my non expert opinion would be able to help you in making the right decision of your life. There are numerous blessings waiting for you.


#76

Hey there!!!.i really feel depressed to see your thread. I can understand the pain you are going through. Indeed surrogacy is an amazing process. it is a very great blessing to start a family of your own. I was also an infertile woman. I wanted babies badly. I went for IVF but wasn’t able to conceive. but I it did not work for me so I gave up. I went for surrogacy. I am enjoying a happy life now. wish you all the best.


#77

Ukraine is a good choice I’m sure. Other European countries either prohibit surrogacy or allow surrogacy agreements only the surrogate is unpaid. For those countries that allow surrogacy the laws typically give all parental rights to the surrogate. This is so until a court process can transfer the rights from her to the IP. In these countries the surrogate has the right to keep the baby if she chooses. But this will never happen in Ukraine. Surrogacy there is well regulated. Surrogacy contracts are considered enforceable under legislation. Under Ukrainian law, the child belongs to IP from the moment of conception. Once the baby is born, the birth certificate is issued with the names of the IP. SM is not awarded any parental rights. She has no standing to keep the baby or claim any rights. This is true even if there were no biological relation between the child and IP. In this and other cases their names remain on the birth certificate. Among other benefits is that Ukainian surrogates are usually between 25-35 years old. She is a natural mother of at least one child. She’s mentally and physically capable of becoming a SM. Her marital status is irrelevant. I’m saying this because in the UK for example one should be aware of so called Mother’s & Father’s rights. Among those: The woman who gives birth is always treated as the mother in UK law and has the right to keep the child. Even if they’re not genetically related. However, parenthood can be transferred by parental order or adoption. Surrogacy contracts aren’t enforced by UK law, even if you’ve a signed deal with your surrogate and have paid for her expenses. It’s illegal to pay a surrogate in the UK, except for their reasonable expenses.The child’s legal father or ‘second parent’ will be the surrogate’s husband or partner unless: legal rights are given to someone else through a parental order or adoption. The surrogate’s husband or civil partner didn’t give their permission to their wife or partner. If your surrogate has no partner, or they’re unmarried and not in a civil partnership, the child will have no legal father or second parent unless the partner actively consents. Seems so complicated, ahh. Imagine your surro’s partner is considered to be a legal father of your baby in the UK…Sounds really horrible to my ear!! So judging from those points I’m sure you both did right when chose Ukraine for surrogacy. God bless you with your bundle of joy soon!


#78

Well I’ve read somewhere a dr suggests using ivf unless you’re strong & healthy enough and have money. For me, sounds really rough. You know, like a good try to loom your money. Though cases differ so much! For some people this journey is the hugest life challenge to battle. For others, this is a pure way of making money. I’m so glad we had the opportunity to have been treated not like ‘cycle’ but like ‘individual case’ at Biotexcom. This was a huge luck! Here’s some of my background. I’ve always been a promising architect putting all my strength & time onto career. So my infertility found me at the age of 40 yo (Probably sooner, but I’ve never happened to know about my issues before.) Dh was 42 yrs old. We got married in 2013. TTC since 10/14. Soon I was diagnosed on PCOS & blocked fallopian tubes. My AMH results came in <3.2. IVF 9/15 - failed. IVF 12/15 - failed. I never saw the faintest of BFP which was driving me mad. DR suggested PGD as he suspected me of being a carrier of Wilson disease - a very rare treatable disorder. Our further step was using donor eggs. It took us 2 shots to get prego with them. Though I’m sure I could continue trying with ivf if no luck. Sorrogacy was the last option to count on for both of us. Honestly, we even did a huge research on how the process was going to be just in case. So I’ve got so many things t share with ladies here applying for this option. All in all, ivf or surrogacy - this must be a mutual decision of the IP & their Dr whom they really trust. If he says there’s no possible luck with ivf & suggests surrogacy --then probably it’s time doing this…Everyone’s path is so individual. I’m wishing you the best with yours.


#79

hello there. how are you doing now? i hope you are fine. I’m so sorry you had to go through a lot. maybe IVF is not for you. why on you go for surrogacy? a mother can never have a different behavior. after so much struggle. when you’ll finally hold your child in your hands. you will fee the most blessed. wouldn’t the be amazing? will you attitude be change? definitely not. don’t let negative thoughts stop you. you should go for it. Ukraine has many good clinics. Biotexcom is of them. my sister is under surrogacy there. they are working really professionally. take care. keep me updated.


#80

Welcome to the forum. I am sorry to know about you. I empathize with you on your failures. May I ask some questions? Do you know the reason for those failures? have you consulted an expert for your condition? If yes, what did they say?
Although surrogacy is a great option to go with. It has helped many in need. And luckily I am one of those. I was diagnosed with unexplained infertility. But now I have my baby girl. We flew to Ukraine for our surrogacy. It was a wonderful experience. I wish you luck in future. Stay strong and positive. More power to you. Baby dust on your way.


#81

I am sorry for your problems. You have taken the right decision. Surrogacy will be best for you. You are lucky that you contacted them through email. They are the scammers. They just deceive people. They deceived my cousin. They trapped her all money. But they didn’t perform surrogacy treatment for my cousin. Because they don’t have any advanced technology for the treatment. So don’t go there. There is another good clinic in Europe. They are best in dealing with surrogacy. I wish you get successful. Till then best of luck.


#82

There are so many reasons couples may apply for surrogacy. Among them hysterectomy. If a woman has had a hysterectomy and an illness it prevents her from being able to carry a pregnancy. Some women are required to take medication that could adversely affect a growing fetus. Also age and whether a woman is able to safely carry a pregnancy. A friend of mine was experiencing a life threatening situation. Dr told pregnancy was forbidden for her, so they opted for surrogacy 2 yrs ago at biotex and were successful from the 1st round. Another reason may be when a woman was born without a uterus. Fibroids in the Uterus. Although fibroids can be removed, they can also grow back. Unexplained Infertility. It occurs after a woman has tried 3 or 4 IVF cycles with good quality embryos but does not get pregnant. And other reasons we may read about on every infertility site. For me surrogacy has always been the last option to count on. We were lucky once using donor eggs for ivf. Came back to the same clinic for a sibling. Currently waiting for the ET.


#83

Hi, here’s some of my background. Me 40; DH 45. DX - PCOS, endo, one ovary and tube; MFI. Oct 2008: Mike is here! 7lbs 14oz, 20.75 inches; C-Section.
TTC #2 since Sept 2015. BFN= 3 IVFs. IVF#4 – early mc @6w4d, June 2018. Last IVF #5 (5dt of two 2AA blasts) – BFP!!
Beta #1, 11dp5dt= 295.
Beta #2, 13dp5dt= 825 (doubling time of 32 hours!); progesterone 130.
Last time we were using donor eggs at Ukrainian clinic bio texcom. Quite far away from home. But the clinic was doing its best to make our stay with them comfortable and the most effective. We are waiting for the 7wks scan.
The thing I wanna say is that you have to trust your dr. (if you actually do…) He’s the one to know your med story the best, so that can advice you the best. Make sure you aren’t making a haste decision. Anyway, whatever your path is -IVF or surrogacy, let me know - I’ve got a plenty of things to share. Good luck!


#84

Seems you’ve suffered a lot. I know I might be posting late, but. if you’ve been exhausted with multiple failures. and you feel like your body got drained physically. and you don’t feel quite well emotionally - maybe it’s time to have some break before heading off to another attempt?..Not insisting, just my personal thought. I think dr is the one to advice much better. he knows your particular case and will definitely offer you the best treatment plan. (if only you don’t want to switch doc and clinic 'cause of failures). Have you thought of using donor egg? Anyway, I think this might help. Found this on fb. biotexcom team is going to the USA early next year to hold an event like the one they had in London in November. It’s a great chance to have an initial consultation with them in New York and get all necessary information about treatment at biotex com. You may follow the link and fill in the form to register https://goo.gl/forms/qmppUatjA6Lj1KOW2. Admission is free. Soon after the registration, you will get an email with information about the date and venue where the event will take place. The email will be sent to the address you provide on sign up. GL!!


#85

I could write more about my med history. but long story short, AMH doesn’t mean a lot EXCEPT for women going through IVF where the doctors use it as a starting point in terms of what dosage of drugs to give you. Some women conceive on an AMH level of 0.2 (or less). others at a more normal level have difficulty. so don’t get too caught up in this. If you really want to know your GP should be able to give you a script for the test. Hope this puts sb’s mind at ease.


#86

Hope you won’t mind me chimming here again. Here are some of the keypoints to focus on if you happen considering the clinic like the one we used (BioTex, Kiev). They achieve positive results due to day by day improving techniques. Their embryologists work with fresh genetic material (eggs/sperm cryopreservation is used only at patient’s will). Such approach automatically multiplies chances for the successful fertilization. It is known and proven that quality of eggs gets worse during the freezing process leading to the failed IVF attempts. In addition to the spermogram doctors conduct sperm analysis for apoptosis. Conducting this medical test embryologist determines presence of the damaged sperm cells which prevent successful conception and can cause child’s DNA damage. In the case of cells’ poor quality, doctor prescribes appropriate medication, afterwards perform reanalysis and successfully fertilize the egg. Karyotype analysis is the part of a standard analyzes set (karyotype test shows the total number of chromosomes, the sex of the person being studied, and if there are any structural abnormalities with any of the individual chromosomes which can cause child’s diseases). Conducting programs of the egg donation and surrogate motherhood doctors calculate the ideal “window of implantation”. This is the most successful period for the embryo transfer without disturbing its structure and endometrium integrity. Starting to work with the infertile couple, their specialists use only individual approach in each case. First of all, members of the medical staff carry out detailed diagnostics of patients in order to identify clearly the seeds of the disease or reasons of the unsuccessful IVF attempts. There are no identical protocols as BioTex team does not work in the traces. Because positive result of any medical program is their main goal! Doctors of the Kiev center walk the line of the latest methods of treatment. So, for example, embryologists use the most successful method of working with blastocysts, namely, embryo transfer on the fifth day. It greatly increases the chance of pregnancy during the in vitro fertilization programs. Women who don’t have a functional uterus or for whom pregnancy poses a serious health risk might choose IVF using another person to carry the pregnancy (gestational carrier). And to apply for surrogacy one should meet the requirements. If it’s Ukraine, for example, then you have to prove any of these: You cannot carry a baby yourself. You suffer a genetic disease. You’ve already faced 4 IVF failures with A grade embryos. The pregnancy is prohibited for you. Moreover, you’ll have it to be proved by the doc’s certificate. Surrogacy law varies dramatically withing surrogacy friendly countries. So, be attentive. Wishing you good luck.


#87

Thanks for Sharing informative information.
In vitro fertilization is a process of fertilization where an egg is combined with sperm outside the body.In vitro fertilization is a process of fertilization where an egg is combined with sperm outside the body. It is a procedure in which fertilization takes place in the lab.


#88

I heard this so many times in my life!!! —’‘Why going through costly treatments??Just adopt!!’’ But if only it were this easy!! I think this might be useful for those considering this very path.~
You should be aware of the following. Found this useful. ''Relinquishment. Even after selecting the adoptive parents, the birthmother has the right to withdraw from the adoption process without consequence. It is not until she has signed the final relinquishment papers that the adoptive parents have any legal rights over the child. Because withdraw is quite common, occurring in up to one-third of all cases, the process can be a harrowing one for would-be parents. They are essentially in limbo, waiting for the mother to place her biological baby with adoptive parents. After the papers are signed, however, the adoptive parents assume all legal rights to the child.
Reclamation. The single greatest fear of most couples who go through an open adoption is that the birthmother will someday want her baby back. The good news for adoptive parents is that that nightmare scenario is more nightmare than reality. Most adoption agencies take the proper legal steps to ensure that that cannot and does not happen.
Future Involvement. When a birthparent does go to court to try to overturn an adoption, the motivating factor is often a lack of contact. In most of these cases, the claim is made that the adoptive parents broke their original promise to allow regular visits. Although the courts often side with the adoptive parents, couples must decide on an individual basis how much contact they will permit.
Future Changes. A birthparent cannot, for example, request additional visits that are not covered in the original agreement. That way, both sides will know exactly what their rights are. Changes to existing agreements are occasionally permitted if they are in the best interest of the child and both sides agree. Differing Laws.
In conclusion, it is a complicated process that involves various legal issues. Couples who are interested in pursuing it can greatly improve their chances of success by speaking with a family law attorney beforehand.


#89

A good post to read. I like the idea of screening process during which potential surrogates undergo thorough medical and psychological screenings to make sure they are good candidates for this process. If both intended parents are going to be the biological parents to the child, providing egg and sperm, they will need to be screened as well. (These usually are screenings for infectious diseases, sexually transmitted diseases, and other medical exams and blood work.) When the factor in the cost for the medical workup, legal fees, and fertility treatments, surrogacy can get pretty expensive. But in Ukraine it IS 50% reduced comparing with the US. It’s important to make sure you work with a fertility clinic you trust. Success rates is the thing to watch at first. I’ve been reading this thread for getting insight in how the process is going in other clinic/clinics. This is so great you have this thread where ladies are from the same place sharing their experience. Knowledge is always better.
Also it’s all so individual. We never know how our bodies will react to the meds and how appropriate the dosages are for us. Whether their income is just ok or needs some changes. Here one should start the process and with the first steps a good expert will do his best to make the best of the treatment. I wouldn’t also listen to negative stories about using the clinic. Experiences differ from case to case and it’s not always the granted thing how people may react to failures. As far as you trust your dr be ready just follow his advice and recommendations.


#90

Hey there. Sounds you’re a bit panicing. Try to get the second opinion, try another fertility expert first. A complete diagnosis of you and your partner is fundamental to identifying a suitable treatment strategy. You will need to undergo a number of tests to establish the cause(s) of your conception problems. All these tests are aimed at: Finding out whether hormone production is balanced, allowing for egg and sperm development.
Establishing whether the ovarian reserve is plentiful and ovulation is taking place.
That sperm is of sufficient quantity and quality.
Determining whether both male and female reproductive systems allow for fertilization.
Of course your dx may be the same - unexplained, but at least you’ll know it for sure. One more thing. As far as your body is capable of carrying a pregnancy you’d better look onto ivf options: ICSI, ivf with own or donor egg. Your Dr will offer the best for your case. Only when you fail, than I’d go for surrogacy. Anyway it’s far too more expensive than trying the former ones. Wish you all the best on your further treatment way. Hugs xx


#91

There are a lot of success stories of aged happy mothers who became prego with own eggs. However, a woman’s ovarian reserve decreases with age. This reduces the chances of getting pregnant. In addition to this issue, there could be a low mitochondrial activity in women’s eggs. These mitochondria are very important components of any cells. Egg cells cannot function well without healthy active mitochondria. Those not only provide oocytes with energy, but also have their own hereditary DNA material. With a deficiency of active, functioning mitochondria in eggs, even a healthy embryo does not take and the pregnancy does not occur. In this case, successful IVF is possible with using donor mitochondria only. Mitochondria replacement therapy is also called the “three parents method”. This procedure is based on the transplantation of mitochondria from a female donor into an egg cell of a patient who wants to become pregnant. Healthy donor mitochondria are integrated with the patient’s cells, fertilized. After this a healthy embryo is placed in the woman’s uterus.
This technology is also an alternative to surrogacy. It enables families to have genetically healthy children. Since the mitochondrial donation uses the egg of a donor, which does not contain defective mitochondria. The method is also recommended for women with a high probability of the development of mutations in mitochondrial DNA and subsequent severe illnesses in an unborn baby. Taking all this into consideration, mitochondrial donation helps barren women not only to become mothers, but also exclude a number of genetic diseases.


#92

Thank you so much for your respond. I’ve heard a lot of info concerning IVF and mitochondria donation. Seems, this method has not been so widely used before. But it’s constantly gaining popularity among the patients. I think this is mainly due to the fact, a woman can keep the genetic relation to her baby. (which is absolutely impossible if she applies for donor egg). A mitochondrial donor is not a genetic parent of a future baby, Donated mitochondria account for less than per cent of the baby’s DNA.One more important thing is that women who donate their mitochondria will not have any rights for the baby. Mitochondrial donation is anonymous. Healthy mitochondria are retrieved from a donor’s egg and transferred to a patient’s egg. Then the oocyte is fertilized and a healthy embryo is transferred into a patient’s uterus. this is how it’s actually done. Of course, one should ask his doc for details and whether the option is possible in his very case. But from what I read, more and more couples achieve success through mitochondria donation.