Now surrogacy only :-(


#62

I have been thinking about it for some time, I find it quite overwhelming that you get to receive all kind of updates from your managers (I imagine that surrogacy requires even more emailing time than egg donation, especially after surrogate mother gets pregnant), my manager was not staying silent for longer than 2 days and it was quite impressive. However, I think that they have slightly adjusted that video with the surrogates having fun at the swimming pool. I cannot quite imagine it at all. :slight_smile:
Good luck! <3


#63

[QUOTE=“Gwineth, post: 1870689, member: 87471”]I have been thinking about it for some time, I find it quite overwhelming that you get to receive all kind of updates from your managers (I imagine that surrogacy requires even more emailing time than egg donation, especially after surrogate mother gets pregnant), my manager was not staying silent for longer than 2 days and it was quite impressive. However, I think that they have slightly adjusted that video with the surrogates having fun at the swimming pool. I cannot quite imagine it at all. :slight_smile:
Good luck! <3[/QUOTE]
Thanks dear, your support is amazing, I really appreciate this.
Yes, you are right, a surrogacy involves a lot of communication between parents and manager, I ask a lot of stupid questions concerning this issue, I ask my manager to keep me always updated and she does a great work. I’m grateful to her as I think no one else would do it for me. All the time I ask her to consult the doctor, to send me everything, we have got our first scan and I had already a lot of questions. Thanks God. she is patient and help me with my curiosity.
p.s. I suppose they spend time like on video, why not?


#64

communication is very important not to say vital when it comes to surrogacy, you obviously are going to worry and get nervous so it is necessary to receive just bits of updates when possible. so managers should always be trained to be good at it.
I have recently heard about a conference on the management part of surrogacy process, it sounds great in my opinion. Should’ve been more coverage of such themes because people, clients, and professionals, should understand the other part of the process and act accordingly.


#65

[QUOTE=“Gwineth, post: 1870696, member: 87471”]communication is very important not to say vital when it comes to surrogacy, you obviously are going to worry and get nervous so it is necessary to receive just bits of updates when possible. so managers should always be trained to be good at it.
I have recently heard about a conference on the management part of surrogacy process, it sounds great in my opinion. Should’ve been more coverage of such themes because people, clients, and professionals, should understand the other part of the process and act accordingly.[/QUOTE]
you are totally right, a communication is really important.
I’m so nervous and my manager supports me as she can. She is so nice, and polite, gives the replies as soon as she can, I know she is busy with other couples and I try to respect that. She is doing her best.
oh, wow! A conference about surrogacy? That’s might be great? Where? I believe all infertile couples should be a part of it. I wish I could visit one too.
p.s. I would be so grateful is you tell me a bit about that? How can I find an information about conference?


#66

You should first calm down. I understand the pain that you are going through. But you have to remain strong. Crying everyday will not help. Take time to meditate. Let the pain pof losing the child fade. Then thereafter you can focus on having a another child. In life we have to move on. It is also good that you want to move on to surrogacy. I can say it is one of the best solution. It is actually the last resort to many couples. When every other procedure has failed. This is because surrogacy has a high rate if success. You can now focus on positivity. I know of Bio tex clinic that is so good with surrogacy procedures. You can get more information here


#67

Here one should understand the core of the clinic’s guarantee. This is not the case they guarantee you’ll get prego from the 1st attempt. Or that your surrogate will give a birth to your kid this very year. Or that your baby will be absolutely healthy or sth of this kind. It says along with guaranteed package you get unlimited number of attempts (Whether you are using own eggs or donor eggs for the procedure). In case you fail to get prego after 5 shots in a row; your body gets exhausted after meds taken or you don’t want to continue treatments --bio tex com refunds all money paid back! Which is abslutely a nice back plan to have in case of failure. But as far as I know, there hasn’t been a single episode when a couple came back home from bio tex com without their baby!! This is incredible! It means they have those guaranteed packages for people to feel even more safer with the process. This repro center does care about its IP success and does all things possible for it. Besides their live birth rates are high which is vital for the whole process!


#68

Here are some common mistakes couples make whilst their surrogacy programs. Anastasia, the head of the English department is talking about the following in one of her videos. Sharing it here~
IP should read attached documents and follow the recommendations there. IP should provide full information, especially when talking about assessment of possibility of stimulation. Check visa arrangements between the countries. IP should confirm the dates of initial consultation before booking of tickets. In case of ovarian stimulation IP shouldn’t ignore clinic’s requirement to obtain authorization for hormonal stimulation, especially if there were oncological diseases or heart/kidney/blood conditions. IP happen to arrange the things to be finished exactly by the day of delivery indicated in the ultrasound check, without supposition that it might be premature delivery, or normal delivery but on the 36th or 38th week. IP should not ignore the recommendations to visit special classes for new parents while they’re still at home and when IP come they get scared of their babies. IP shouldn’t ignore the final checklist of the coordinators. (With exact and very clear recommendations what documents have to be prepared from IP side for the exit process.) IP should use the benefits of bio tex com emergency 24/7 helpline and not become frustrated of coordinators not answering you in the middle of the night. IP should provide exact instructions to housekeeping staff and babysitter. Follow doctor’s protocol and start self-treatment. Inform the clinic about changing of the plans and/or time limits. IP expect that the date of the second visit will be calculated during the initial consultation. IP expect us to do miracles and achieve pregnancy from 1 shipped embryo of poor quality. IP want to pay and book egg donor earlier than you come for the initial consultatio. Incorrect understanding of such concept as waiting time – not from when IP signed, but from when IP paid. IP happen to get scared after program coordinator invites them to the procedure and say they have the sperm frozen in the clinic. Public maternity house doesn’t mean that it is going to be a bad maternity house. And finally, minding the time difference.~
The clinic’s open about all the possible problems which might occur. They take time to explain things well which is very useful for successful cooperation.


#69

So I’ve got a couple of things to share about surrogacy.
Ukrainian law on surrogacy and assisted reproduction techniques establishes that, at least, the intended father delivers half the genetic material. But the other half- the egg can be delivered by an egg donor. Nevertheless, when an egg donor is used, she remains anonymous. Well, the truth is, the general profile of surrogate women corresponds to caring, responsible, family-oriented, generous women. All in all, they do this because they wish to give others the gift of family. Besides, they are conscientious women who truly wish to participate in the process of surrogacy. Be it as it may, you should keep in mind the surrogate’s general state of health, pregnancy history and lifestyle above all.
Apart from that, common aspects that every intended parents should take into account when choosing their gestational carrier are: Diet. How willing the prospective surrogate is to follow certain guidelines as to what she should eat and what not is a crucial aspect. Remember that the diet a woman follows during pregnancy may have an impact on the unborn child’s health. Interaction. While some intended parents have a preference for being fully involved in their surrogate’s life during and after pregnancy via phone calls, Skype, appointments, etc., others do not feel this need to stay in contact that much with their surrogate. Invasive procedures. Is your surrogate comfortable with surgery and other invasive procedures that may become necessary throughout the pregnancy, such as amniocentesis? Pregnancy termination or reduction. Multifetal pregnancy reduction (MFPR) is a procedure used to reduce the number of fetuses in cases of multiple births. On the other hand, pregnancy termination or embryonic arrest is another aspect to keep in mind before signing the contract. Do you and the surrogate agree on what to do if any of these issues arose? If she is single. In case your surrogate is not married, another aspect to take into consideration is whether she is planning to date someone while she is carrying your baby. Husband’s or partner’s opinion. Conversely to the previous aspect, in case the surrogate is married or in a relationship, the opinion of her partner must be fully taken into account in order to prevent the occurrence of any problem related to paternity rights, for instance. Responsiveness. During the entire process, surrogates are sent various requests from the agency/clinic. In this sense, my advice is that you look for a responsible woman; otherwise, she may not be committed to follow the schedule. Support system. I mean whether she can count on the support of her close relatives, husband/partner, friends, etc. It is essential to evaluate what will be the support system the surrogate will have during the surrogacy process - is she going to be supported by a partner, a parent, a roommate…? Of course, intended parents may look for different characteristics in a surrogate, according to your special requirements, situation, geographic location, etc. You can always share your ideas and/or concerns with your agency or clinic in order to select that surrogate that best fits your needs. Biotex com clinic we’ve been with covers all those concerns though. Hope this helps, stay well, ladies.


#70

Those are awesome pieces of advice!! I’m quite an overthinker as it is and I’m a little but of a control freak so I’m completely out of my depth right now with the fact that everything is so uncertain it’s something you just can’t prepare for (mentally) I just thought before I started it would be a breeze… how wrong was I!! I’m trying to remain positive but don t want to be over confident as the results may not be what I wanted. It’s tough xx


#71

We’ve been doing with Biotex, Ukraine. If you choose this country for your surrogacy destination like we did, be ready that they don’t allow to choose surrogate there. You can meet her only after the 12th weeks of pregnancy. Since it’s gestational surrogacy, surrogate mother won’t have any genetic relation to the baby. She has to be healthy and be compatible to your blood type. Also, you won’t be able to keep in touch with your surrogate directly. Only with the help of manager who is in the meantime your translator. All surrogates are Ukrainian nationals. Age between 18 and 39. All have at least one healthy child of their own. At Biotexcom they ensured us that they have very strict restrictions as to surrogate’s health. They also go through psychological checks ups. Of course, I’m interested to know who she is and how she looks like. But maybe they are right that this is not the most essential thing about our surrogacy process. If you will be opting donor eggs surrogacy, here the situation is absolutely different! You may choose your donor. Surely, you choose who your baby will take after!! Still I haven’t learn the process of choosing a donor very thoroughly because we’re opting on our own first. They gave us two shots. If they won’t work, they will have to move to donor eggs. Wish me luck:pray:


#72

That’s super nice Biotex allows its patients to choose the donor. Surely, dr is the last one to make the final decision. But mostly the IP’s wish coincides with the dr’s one. On the whole this is a great place to be with. The staff is awesome. Kind smiling people make you feel a bit more comforted when getting the core of the treatment plans. Special thanks to our donor 345.


#73

Wishing you the best of luck with your coming ivf shot!! I love the way the clinic screens its potential donors. The info is detailed. The profiles contain literally ALL info on the donor’s personality, health and phsycological status. all the ladies are young and attractive. It’s definitely not easy to make the choice at once! keeping you in my thoughts.


#74

If it’s surrogacy path for you - then do go down the route! IP are often able to be involved in their surrogate’s pregnancy. They attend key appointments. They are present for important milestones, including the embryo transfer and birth. Surrogates have a proven track record of carrying healthy pregnancies, which often makes surrogacy more likely to be successful than fertility treatments for intended parents. Thus surrogacy can be complicated. Gestational surrogacy involves complex medical procedures, and surrogacy laws. Legal processes can be overwhelming at times. It is important to work closely with a trusted professional to ensure the process is completed safely and legally. Surrogacy costs can be significant. Because of the number of people and services required to complete a successful surrogacy, surrogacy can be expensive, unless undergone abroad, in Ukraine for example, they have pretty attractive costs. Besides, it’s a surrogacy friendly destination. You can settle your mind at piece - you’ll get your baby at the end. BioTexCom clinic has been conducting some great surrogacy plans for years. The clinic has high live birth rates. Know this from my own experience :hugs:


#75

I know couples who’ve been successfully through surrogacy in Ukraine. We passed DE IVF treatments there,.but where seriously counting on surrogacy as the last resort in case IVF fails. So asked the people why they choose Ukraine for surrogacy. The answers were the same - affordable prices and the popularity of the procedure. Many women participate in surrogacy nowadays there. They all have different reasons, but I really don’t care much why they do it…The fact is that the law of the country is surrogacy friendly. IP are considered to be the only legal parents of the baby conceived. The surrogate has no right to keep the baby after she delivers him/her. I agree with you, @millie1. This is quite a popular surrogacy destination. Moreover, there’s variety of surrogacy programs. Set of services and costs vary. But I’m sure everyone can find what suits his pocket the best. asiu.us and surrogacybiotexcom.blogspot.com are exclusive links for detailed information.


#76

Thanks for your answer. I should say that the surrogacy program at BioTex covers all the bases and works in the clients’ favor. Unlike other European clinics, the surrogacy program cost there is significantly lower and service is better than in the high-level medical centers. Depending on diagnosis, doctor can recommend surrogacy program with donor or own eggs. Patients pay for the program on a phased basis: Signing the contract. Before the pickup / puncture procedure. When surrogate mother reaches 12th week of pregnancy. As act of delivery starts. During the final stage of the program, when biological parents receive all necessary documents and leave the clinic with the newborn. Signing the contract, clients receive a complete package of services. In particular, BioTex drivers meet patients at the airport and provide them with a transfer from/to the clinic, hotel, embassy, etc. Clients live in the clinic’s homes, hotels which are regularly visited by pediatrician who specializes in the newborn children. Doctor monitors condition of the newborn’s health, advises parents on all issues they are interested in. In the case of premature birth, BioTex covers all the expenses concerning necessary medications, procedures, and child’s stay in the hospital if it is needed. During the whole period of the program manager and interpreter accompany couple. and organize all processes, coordinate patients, prepare all documents and help clients to go through the program without difficulties. Interpreters who accompany clients are accredited to work in the state institutions, as well as have an experience on working with the documentation for the surrogacy (Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Foreign Affairs). All services listed above are included in the price of the program you choose. Also here are things that helped. Figuring out the people who could sit and be a great ear when I needed it, not just dismiss or want to avoid the reality of IF and how I was feeling in this new pursuit. Avoiding people who made me feel worse. Finding special things to do when otherwise my mind would run - movie, series, book, day trip, walk on a beauty day, etc. Connecting with an IF counsellor who could help me reframe my thinking and plan in advance how to better get through events and situations that gave me anxiety. And ultimately reminded myself that giving myself my best and healthiest shot at this does not involve negative self-talk or torturing myself emotionally - finding key statements to repeat helped. Things like “I am doing the best I can and giving myself my very best shot.” “I will get through this and be kind to myself in the process.” “I believe in my body and even if it takes time, I know I will become a mother!!!’’


#77

In brief, surrogacy process in Ukraine goes on like this:
Initial consultation. It usually contains the following activities: A set of tests depending on the program (fasting is mandatory). Consultation with a fertility specialist who will be in charge of your program (in case of stimulation you will need to have the transvaginal ultrasound check done). Consultation with a manager who will guide you through the program step by step. Signing of contracts. Before any initial consultation you will receive the Guidelines for the Initial Consultation - failure to follow these recommendations may affect the initial consultation in a negative way. Search and confirmation of a surrogate mother, matching process. Waiting time depends on the type of contact. Stimulation &amp; synchronisation stage (about 2 weeks). The cycle of egg donor or the biological mother is synchronised with the cycle of a surrogate mother. According to your contract you have to follow all doctors instruction. In case of self-treatment or violation of the treatment protocol, the clinic may cancel the cycle and terminate the contract. Fertilization day, embryo transfer – the 2nd visit. In case the biological mother undergoes hormonal stimulation and is being prepared for egg retrieval, the second visit may take up to 10 days. If we are talking about surrogacy using own eggs it is not recommended to leave the same day. Flying the following day is fine.The rules for sperm donation are similar as for the initial consultation – a man needs to abstain from ejaculation from 3 to 5 days before. After fertilisation the embryo development is monitored by embryology unit. The embryo transfer takes place on the 5th day. You will receive the protocol of embryo cultivation and transfer within 3 working days after the embryo transfer. HCG test, pregnancy confirmation. The first ultrasound scan is carried out in 2 weeks after the positive HCG test by the doctor in charge of the program. The report will be send the same or the next day after the check. Pregnancy monitoring. Delivery. Obtaining of the birth certificate for the baby (up to 1 week).
In our clinci they offer the VIP Surrogacy Package (waiting time: up to-2,5 months) 49.900 euros:
Medical Part: Medical tests and checks for all participants of the program (intended parents, surrogate mother and egg donor). Medications for all participants of the program. Unlimited IVF cycles. Pregnancy care (pregnancy monitoring) for the SM. DNA paternity test in their partnering laboratory. PGD service to detect the possible genetic abnormalities and sex of a baby(s) (if indicated!!). In case of the premature birth all the expenses related to additional medical treatment, special medical equipment utilization etc. are covered by them from the first day of birth. The child´s doctor attends the baby every day. Besides customers are provided with the
24/7 phone consultation of a leading English-speaking pediatrician and if needed this leading pediatrician visits the baby upon the request. In case of miscarriage compensation to a surrogate mother is paid by them. Customers are provided with the complete physical checkup of the baby(s) by the focused specialists. Customers can be present during the delivery and stay with a baby in the maternity hospital in separate room until the discharge. Needed injections are performed by the coming nurse domiciliary - in the apartments where the customers are staying. Customers can be provided with the services of the surrogate mother who has already had the experience of a surrogacy.
Legal Support and Paperwork: Surrogacy contract elaborations. Support on the final stage of the process for obtaining the birth certificate for a baby(s) and travel documents for them to leave the country.
Organization and Coordination: VIP service for the clients in the days of visits (no waiting list, etc/.) Customers are provided with the babysitter services from 9 o´clock in the morning till 6
o´clock in the evening. Customers are provided with the VIP support package: transportation, food based on the restaurant menu, separate apartment, services of attending housemaid, a car with a personal driver, smartphone and SIM card of Ukrainian mobile operator. Accommodation is provided for four (4) months after birth. Customers are provided with the newborn package - all the things needed to take care of a newborn baby.


#78

Also found this useful ## I suppose those can contribute to how smooth or not the process could be. Here are some of the issues mentioned:
You do not read attached documents and do not follow the recommendations there.
You do not provide full information, especially when we talk about assessment of possibility of stimulation.
You do not check visa arrangements between our countries .
You do not confirm the dates of initial consultation before booking of your tickets.
In case of ovarian stimulation you ignore our requirement to obtain authorization for hormonal stimulation, especially if there were oncological diseases or heart/kidney/blood conditions.
You arrange the things to be finished exactly by the day of delivery indicated in the ultrasound check, without supposition that it might be premature delivery, or normal delivery but on the 36th or 38th week.
You ignore our recommendations to visit special classes for new parents while you’re still at home and when you come here you’re scared of your own babies.
You ignore the final checklist of our coordinators – with exact and very clear recommendations what documents have to be prepared from your side for the exit process.
You do not use the benefits of our emergency 24/7 helpline and become frustrated of coordinators not answering you in the middle of the night.
You do not provide exact instructions to housekeeping staff and babysitter.
You do not follow doctor’s protocol and start self-treatment.
You do not inform us about changing of your plans and/or time limits.
You expect that the date of the second visit will be calculated during the initial consultation.
You expect us to do miracles and achieve pregnancy from 1 shipped embryo of poor quality.
You want to pay and book egg donor earlier than you come for the initial consultation.
Logistics: arranging logistics the very last moment 17.
Incorrect understanding of such concept as waiting time – not from when you signed, but from when you paid.
When you get scared after program coordinator invites you to the procedure and you have the sperm frozen in the clinic.
Embryoprotocol date – when you expect it to be sent the same day. Lab may finish their work late.
Public maternity house doesn’t mean that it is going to be a bad maternity house.
Mind the time difference – we work with the whole world.’
I suppose the majority of clinics may apply for the same, right. It’s so mportant to work in tandem with your clinic to achieve the best results after being treated.


#79

The IP of a child born through surrogacy in Ukraine are considered to be biological parents from the moment of conception. They are specifically named as biological parents in the birth certificate without any mentioning of the surrogate mother. Importantly the gestational surrogate has no legal claim over the child!! Also no specific permission from any regulatory body is required. However written informed consent of all parties participating in the surrogacy program is mandatory! Unlike the US and Canada, babies born through surrogacy in Ukraine do not gain Ukrainian citizenship!!! Ukraine is currently the most popular surrogacy destination. Whilst it is an attractive option for couples because of the relatively low cost, couples need to be aware of the limitations with surrogacy in Ukraine. Among the other things to consider are: English is not widely spoken in the Ukraine. This can make it difficult for the IP to navigate their way through all aspects of the journey. It can also make for a very complicated journey legally, where all correspondence,documents and agreements have to be translated through a professional service. It is advisable to get an English speaking lawyer in Ukraine to represent you. (Unless the service is included into the package price).
It is important that the intended parent’s name, particularly the intended mother’s name, is exactly the same on both passport and marriage certificates. Any discrepancy can lead to time delays as translation, notarisation and apostillization of the documents will be required.


#80

Hope my message finds you well. Found this on fb. ~ From 01.08.2019 the prices for egg and mitochondrial donation programs are increasing:
4900 EUR - 1 att of donation
6500 EUR - 1 att with mitochondrial replacement
6900 EUR - 2 att of donation
9900 EUR - 2 att with mitochondrial donation
11900 EUR - 5 att of donation
14900 EUR - 5 att with mitochondrial donation.
Also starting from 01.09.2019 the price for the VIP package with the clinic we’ve been with, will be 64900 EUR. The waiting time for the 1st att at a VIP package will be 4 months, and at a Standard package - up to 1 year.


#81

I thought this might be of interest ~VIP Surrogacy Package (waiting time: up to-4 months) 64.900 euros:
Medical Part: Medical tests and checks for all participants of the program (intended parents, surrogate mother and egg donor). Medications for all participants of the program. Unlimited IVF cycles. Pregnancy care (pregnancy monitoring) for the SM. DNA paternity test in their partnering laboratory. PGD service to detect the possible genetic abnormalities and sex of a baby(s) (if indicated!!). In case of the premature birth all the expenses related to additional medical treatment, special medical equipment utilization etc. are covered by them from the first day of birth. The child´s doctor attends the baby every day. Besides customers are provided with the
24/7 phone consultation of a leading English-speaking pediatrician and if needed this leading pediatrician visits the baby upon the request. In case of miscarriage compensation to a surrogate mother is paid by them. Customers are provided with the complete physical checkup of the baby(s) by the focused specialists. Customers can be present during the delivery and stay with a baby in the maternity hospital in separate room until the discharge. Needed injections are performed by the coming nurse domiciliary - in the apartments where the customers are staying. Customers can be provided with the services of the surrogate mother who has already had the experience of a surrogacy.
Legal Support and Paperwork: Surrogacy contract elaborations. Support on the final stage of the process for obtaining the birth certificate for a baby(s) and travel documents for them to leave the country.
Organization and Coordination: VIP service for the clients in the days of visits (no waiting list, etc/.) Customers are provided with the babysitter services from 9 o´clock in the morning till 6
o´clock in the evening. Customers are provided with the VIP support package: transportation, food based on the restaurant menu, separate apartment, services of attending housemaid, a car with a personal driver, smartphone and SIM card of Ukrainian mobile operator. Accommodation is provided for four (4) months after birth. Customers are provided with the newborn package - all the things needed to take care of a newborn baby.